a joyful girl getting loud ([info]rawles) wrote,
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In Which I Ramble And Never Really Arrive At A Point Or Conclusion
So, there's this meme going around called "Fuck You, She's Awesome." Its basic premise/background is that some person I don't know was at some point adding new things to their interests and among those things happened to be some ladies. As they did this the person felt themself getting defensive already because this is fandom and so clearly there was someone somewhere judging her and hating these chicks she was loving on. So, in response to this she decided to compile a list of ten (though some people have done 25 that I have seen) female characters that make her go: FUCK YOU, SHE'S AWESOME.

I was pretty delighted by this meme's appearance on my flist, which, anyone who knows me should not find at all surprising. And in the course of immediately beginning to mentally compile my own extensive, extensive list I also left a few comments noting with joy that an LJ interest of mine (originally stolen from [info]memlu and [info]a_white_rain because it SPOKE TO THE VERY CORE OF ME) was basically the catch-all summation of the spirit of the meme. Said interest being: "all the fictional women you hate."

And in the course of thinking about that interest and the meme, I got lost in a long contemplation of how much it and various related sentiments and afflictions not just inform...but completely shape the way that I approach fiction and fandom pretty much at all times.

When I look back on my childhood and all the made up things I've ever loved and many of the values that make up who I am as a person...I think it's all the fault of video games.

Or very specifically: Samus Aran. I've mentioned her in passing on more than one occasion, most notably for me waaaay back a long time ago when I did the Five Things Meme (that is currently making its second go around) and she showed up, probably quite bafflingly to many, on the list of favourite female characters. Samus Aran was a MASSIVELY, MASSIVELY iconic figure to me in my childhood. I don't know if I can even properly describe to you how much so. All I can really say is that I grew up with three older brothers and I don't have a single memory of anyone in my family ever trying to shape or guide my interests based on traditional gender roles. In addition to many other things, I liked comic books and video games and everyone was pretty much fine with that. I don't remember the exact day or moment that I sat down to play Super Metroid and read the game booklet that revealed that the hi-tech combat suit-wearing, giant arm-cannon-firing, bad ass, Don't You Dare Fuck With Me bounty hunter (IN SPACE) was a girl. But I do remember that she was my hero. And that feeling of pride and awe and vindication at the unmitigated bad assery of girls was something that I basically ended up chasing for the rest of my life.

Fast forward over a decade later and I haven't changed much at all.

[info]sainfoin_fields has coined terms for two afflictions from which I currently suffer (she too has these issues): Fictional Lesbianism and Anyanka Syndrome.

Fictional Lesbianism is pretty simple. The vast majority of the time, I will care about, invest in, identify with, empathize with, and feel the pathos of female characters exponentially more than male ones. It's not that I don't love many a dude; I am, in fact, very, very fond of boys and I like imaginary ones best of all. But most of the time, there needs to be a strong female presence for me to muster up some caring, in general, and I will usually love my favourite girl characters more than my favourite males ones.

The second affliction is more complicated and troublesome than the first. Anyanka Syndrome is quite simply the INSANELY INCONVENIENT compulsion to be completely obsessed with any mistreated female character, be the source of her mistreatment canon, fandom, or some mixture of both. My list of Leftover Ladies of Fiction is long and frustrating and emotionally draining.

And these two things...they pretty much completely control everything I ever do in fandom.

And it's not even just the obvious things like not being able to countenance the various fandoms of my acquaintance that spend huge amounts of time calling the main female character a bitch and a cunt, yet never being at all deterred from aggressively trying to hand her over as a prize to their woobie of choice. Or my inability to ever care about m/m slash almost ever, ever, ever, at all, ever. Or my inability to exist in a slash or yaoi fandom even on the rare occasion when I DO care about a m/m pairing because I just can't take the casual misogyny that runs so rampant in slash culture. Or my having ZERO patience for the endless bileful hating on anything with a vagina that threatens to upset people's carefully constructed shipping plans or, you know, just has the temerity to exist and have any kind of will, flaws, independence, or self-directedness and not be an aggressively inoffensive, malleable, cardboard cutout. Or my not being able to watch Supernatural.

It makes itself known in ways that are sometimes less reasonable.

Like how I am completely incapable of existing in Doctor Who fandom not because it has the most bizarre and excessive case of You Must Be A Fan This Specific Way Or You're Doing It Wrong that I've ever seen (though it does), but because people hate Rose. I've had issues with Rose myself on more than one occasion, but I still can't stand to see people hating her.

Or like how I just could NOT watch the third season of Doctor Who, not just because my heart was completely trampled upon by the previous two seasons or because I'd had serious issues with the second one, but because by the time I'd finally finished season two, season three was well on its way and I knew, I KNEW, immediately and instinctively that I would love Martha Jones to death. And I just couldn't deal. I just didn't have the emotional energy left for another Leftover Lady, for another woman to be beautiful and badass and awesome and unappreciated and dismissed and ill-used. Tris referred to it as an Anyanka Syndrome saturation point, where you just don't have anything left. And even not having anything left some part of me still desperately calls out to Martha Jones, wanting to knoooow her, to looooove her, but I just can't deal.

Like how after two fucking years in Avatar fandom of never being able to discuss the show that was actually on the screen but instead being compelled to argue endlessly about one that seemed STRANGE AND WHOLLY DIFFERENT and generally being regarded as a crazy person and having people "secretly" talk shit about me for thinking that the canon of the show is not actually that hard to figure out and being frustrated that everyone else liked to pretend that it was, the thing that finally made me up and leave and not look back was the comparatively tame occurrence of people watching The Beach and dismissing the fact that Mai has valid emotional issues and blaming HER because her boyfriend is a crazy jealous freak. Comparatively tame to things like people seeing a shot of Mai and Zuko kissing in a season three trailer and hoping that RAPE was involved rather than Mai and Zuko kissing of their own free will or multiple unironic discussions of how Mai would be an okay character if only she were a guy since she is already so masculine anyway in her emotional repression she might as well be one.

It's like sometimes I'll just hit this WALL where something just goes snap inside of me and the very thought of continuing to exist in remotely the same space in which these things are going on just gives me hives. And I can't control it and I can't make it be on all the time and thus assist me in avoiding many things that piss me off.

So, getting back to the meme, I sat there, thinking on all of these things and thinking about writing a post like this and wondering if I should wonder in the course of it why it is that fandom, made up primarily of women, hates women so much and what this says about culture and gender roles and how people react to them. But really, it's nothing I don't already know and haven't already thought about and discussed extensively.

And so I ran into the problem, instead, of actually making my list of women who make me go Fuck You, She's Awesome. Which turned into a huge problem because I sort of couldn't. Because, twee and ridiculous as it sounds, 90% all female characters make me go that in some way, at some point, and I couldn't really choose. Being inordinately interested in "all the fictional women you hate" really does sum up my feelings on it all.

And then I had an image in my mind of the scene from BSG, in Scar, when Kara starts to name all the dead pilots one by one and then she begins to forget and Lee fills in for her: "To all of them." So, if you will, imagine a wee adorable pilot going TO ALL OF THEM when this accounting peters off.*

Buffy Summers and Faith Lehane and Fred Burkle. Tara Maclay. Anyanka, Patron Saint of Scorned Women. Karen Filippelli. Shannon Rutherford. Anastasia Dualla, who was inexplicably character assassinated by her own cracked out creator. Rose Tyler. Harriet Jones. Angela Martin and Pam Beesly. Dr. Addison Montgomery. Dr. Miranda Bailey. Dr. Cristina Yang. Dr. Martha Jones. Dr. Diane Hughes. Dr. Lisa Cuddy. Jan Levinson-Gould. Susan Pevensie (Fuck you, C.S. Lewis). Mai, Katara, Jin, Yue, Suki, and Azula. Claudia Jean Cregg. Rogue, Ororo Munroe, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, and Kitty Pryde. Mary Jane Fucking Watson-Parker (Dear Joe Quesada: die in a fire). Laura Roslin. Kara Thrace. Cally Tyrol. Cho Chang. Beatrix Kiddo. Elle Driver. Vernita Green. O-Ren Ishii. Veronica Mars (see: Anastasia Dualla). Cindy Mackenzie. Lindsay Bluth-Funkë and Liz Lemon. Kaylee Frye, Inara Serra, Zoe Alleyne. YoSaffBridge. River Tam. Sarah Connor. Summerbot Cameron. ~*~Chloe Sullivan~*~. Barb, Margene, and Sarah Henrickson. Heather Tuttle. Hermione Granger. Princess Zelda of Hyrule. Haruhi Suzumiya. Sakura Kinimoto. Tomoyo Daidouji. Meiling Li. Yuuko. Deputy Director Lou Beckett. Paige Michalchuk. Deb Morgan. Lt. Maria LaGuerta. Rita Bennett. Arwen and Eowyn. Betty and Hilda Suarez. Christina McKinney. Amanda Tanen-Sommers. Wilhelmina Slater. Alexis Meade?! Lois Lane. Aeryn Sun. Kelly Kapoor! Phyllis Vance. Captain Elizabeth Turner, King of Pirates. Harriet M. Welsch. Sam Manson. Cindy Vortex. Tracey and Edna Turnblad. Claire Bennet-Petrelli. Elle Bishop. Ariel, Jasmine, Anya, Megara, Belle, and Mulan Fa. (Maleficent and Ursula, The Sea Witch.) Chihiro. Wendy Darling. Trinity. Regina George. Arya Stark. Samus Aran, hobvs.

So. Yeah. Fuck you, fandom. They're awesome.



*For all of BSG fandom's many weirdnesses one I always found fascinating is that PERHAPS IN LINE WITH THE GENDERFUCK OF THE SHOW ITSELF (one of the ways it first recommended itself to me) Kara is the fandom woobie and Lee is like the inexpicably hated girl. It's...not really any less annoying.



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[info]latropita
2008-04-13 10:01 am UTC (link)
O MY RAWLES.

This is beautiful, and I love it, and your list of ladies totally just made me cry. *toasts*

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:14 am UTC (link)
I MIGHT HAVE TEARED UP WHEN I WAS TYPING IT.

MAYBE.

JUST A LITTLE.

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[info]spectralbovine
2008-04-13 10:02 am UTC (link)
SO SAY WE ALL.

Er, does that work? I liked this post, and I like your ladies. Fuck you, fandom, indeed.

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:13 am UTC (link)
THAT DOES WORK.

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[info]glassfishgirl
2008-04-13 12:48 pm UTC (link)
Excuse me while I sort of squee about the fact that motherfucking TRINITY is on your list. (geekout!) Also, mmmmm Cuddy. <3 that woman so hard.

Also, omg, that's like, HALF of the Disney princesses there! All mah favourite ones too! <33333

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:12 am UTC (link)
Hahaha. Sometimes I forget that I do not talk about everything that I ever love in my LJ so people don't know things about me like how I LOVE TRINITY?

THEY ARE MY FAVOURITE PRINCESSES AS WELL. (HAHA OBVIOUSLY?)

I WILL ALWAYS LOVE MULAN THE MOST THO PROBABLY. BECAUSE HER MOVIE IS LIKE...MY FAVOURITE EVER?!?!?11 IN LIFE!??!11

Anya from Anastasia is VERY VERY close second tho.

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(no subject) - [info]glassfishgirl, 2008-04-14 02:33 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]a_white_rain
2008-04-13 02:26 pm UTC (link)
(Dear Joe Quesada: die in a fire)
My heart, it burns for you.

Um yessssssssssssssss, to watch Doctor Who, you have to be strong. Or burst into tears too many times to count. I go for the second.

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:13 am UTC (link)
It is like a numbness now.

Stupid fucking Joe Quesada.

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(no subject) - [info]a_white_rain, 2008-04-14 12:25 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]inboots
2008-04-13 02:38 pm UTC (link)
Mai, Katara, Jin, Yue, Suki, and Azula.

No Toph! Is there a reason or it just slipped?

I think my list would be slightly less acceptable since I love a lot of fictional women that are controversial even for those who don't have problems with fictional ladies, haha. Like Meredith Grey and Allison Cameron and Samantha Carter and assorted Marvel ladies that have been mistreated by Bendis, the Dick Chenney to Quesada's Bush.

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[info]sainfoin_fields
2008-04-13 06:17 pm UTC (link)
While I am not a fan of Meredith Grey, and sort of led the early charge against Izzie Stevens, I for one completely support the cause of loving on them if you can. Because it pains me to know that for every person who dislikes them for valid writing or performance-based reasons, there's probably another who hates them, and characters like them, because they're not McDreamy enough. It's a tough job to love some characters, but I'm glad that someone does it, even if it's not me.

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[info]amiraelizabeth
2008-04-13 02:52 pm UTC (link)
Bravo to you. That was a great read and I agree. It is hard at times to be able to appreciate the things you love when you are completely bombarded with such assholery.

I think this ought to be the battle cry for a lot of things:

FUCK YOU! THEY'RE AWESOME!

There are a few characters both male and female to whom that battle cry applies.

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[info]eldritch_flame
2008-04-13 03:23 pm UTC (link)
MALEFICENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! BEST DISNEY VILLAIN BEST VILLAIN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem. Sorry. Got a bit carried away there. Pretty much, I agree with all of this and for a lot of the names on that list the mere possibility that someone somewhere might be hating on them makes me glad that I tend to avoid fandom like the plague.

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:09 am UTC (link)
MALEFICENT <3333333333333333


Avoiding fandom is basically a good way to avoid a LOT of HEARTACHE and SADNESS at how fucked up people can be.

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[info]elystia
2008-04-13 03:41 pm UTC (link)
Samus is my hero. I wish I could go back in time to when teachers used to assign those "write about your hero" papers so that I could write about her. :(

I didn't recognize about 60% of the names on that list (I'm uncultured!) but the ones I did made me squee. ♥

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:08 am UTC (link)
Samus is my hero. I wish I could go back in time to when teachers used to assign those "write about your hero" papers so that I could write about her. :(

I think this ALL THE TIME.

And I am so jealous of your icon because every one I have ever tried to make of her has FAILED. It is like it is never QUITE EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED.

SIGH.

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(no subject) - [info]tehlobster, 2009-02-16 09:10 am UTC (Expand)

[info]rockontheedge
2008-04-13 03:47 pm UTC (link)
FUCKING AMEN.

Or my having ZERO patience for the endless bileful hating on anything with a vagina that threatens to upset people's carefully constructed shipping plans or, you know, just has the temerity to exist and have any kind of will, flaws, independence, or self-directedness and not be an aggressively inoffensive, malleable, cardboard cutout.

It's always allowed for the boys. But if a girl does? They're "emotional" or "extreme" or "reckless". [kills something] I hate it when people are so grossly sexist about these characters. Sam was my very favorite from Danny Phantom, but she got so much hate from people that I couldn't believe it. She was kind of the only person who knew who she was the whole time.

And what you said about Mai, and why you ended up dropping out somewhat after The Beach, just...I don't know, breaks my heart. After watching that episode, I probably felt worst for Mai. It was hard, watching Zuko looking through that deserted beach house- but that stirred up issues that we already knew well about for him. Something about Mai articulating what broke her seemed to hit me so much harder. She never complained, she hadn't spoken of it, she just went on with her life, and her finally, finally opening up about it was a defining moment for her. Zuko replied that his life had been tough as well--which was true. But that didn't make what she went through of any less impact, and it boils me up that people even dared to say that. -_-

And to those asshats I say...FUCK YOU! SHE'S AWESOME! BECAUSE SHE IS.

On a more random note, I also dislike art where Zuko's protecting Mai as if she can't THROW KNIVES AND SHIT. In character for Zuko BECAUSE HE'S A NERD LIKE THAT...NOT FOR GROWN-UP NON-CHIBI MAI.

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[info]swan2swan
2008-04-13 04:36 pm UTC (link)
You know, I don't know if there's any other art where that situation exists BESIDES mine....and trust me, I know her kick-butt abilities...but notice that he doesn't have the swords OUT yet. So, yes, just a little bit of tentative defense. Mai hasn't had her say yet.

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[info]mattador
2008-04-13 03:53 pm UTC (link)
Hear, hear!

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[info]_eb
2008-04-13 03:53 pm UTC (link)
Awesome. Also, a great reminder of why I never venture beyond my friends list and into into fandom at large.

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:02 am UTC (link)
This is a FINE plan.

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[info]hoshizora
2008-04-13 04:30 pm UTC (link)
Surprised, but not displeased to see Haruhi Suzumiya on this list. Didn't know you were a Haruhiist.

Sorry fandom is so crazy for you. :-/

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:02 am UTC (link)
I watched it pretty recently! But yes I love Haruhi. Both show and character.

Sorry fandom is so crazy for you. :-/

Eh. I deeeal.

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[info]swan2swan
2008-04-13 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Yay for angry rants at lame Spiderman people!!!

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[info]swan2swan
2008-04-13 04:38 pm UTC (link)
Oh, and I meant "burns," not rants..."burns of."

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[info]pikabot
2008-04-13 05:03 pm UTC (link)
*round of applause*

Awesome ramble, awesome list, awesome everything. It almost seems like a speech one would make before a large audience (I dunno where you'd make it, but it hits all the right beats, particularly the end).

Also Arya Stark skjgbwegjbwe BEST CHARACTER EVER

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[info]the_fox_bandit
2008-04-13 05:58 pm UTC (link)
Awesome ramble, awesome list, awesome everything. It almost seems like a speech one would make before a large audience (I dunno where you'd make it, but it hits all the right beats, particularly the end).

Hahahaha. Yeah. And she could wave her arms around and pound her fists on the podium, and everyone would stand up and give her an ovation. : D

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[info]lodessa
2008-04-13 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Anyanka Syndrome... so that is what has utterly and completely killed my love for the Office.

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[info]the_fox_bandit
2008-04-13 08:15 pm UTC (link)
The fandom or the canon?

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[info]liminalliz
2008-04-13 05:11 pm UTC (link)
WHAT SHE SAID.

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:00 am UTC (link)
<3

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[info]gambitia
2008-04-13 05:33 pm UTC (link)
You're missing Mystique in your list! Unless you don't like her...I remember a specific discussion in which people concluded she was a complete bitch for betraying Sabertooth after Sabes raped her repeatedly. And I was just like...huh? Does not compute.

Your rant fills me with happiness! You speak the truth.

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 07:00 am UTC (link)
I do like her! I just forgot, really.

SO MANY LADIES. SO LITTLE TIME.

Comics fandom is...BLAH WHATEVER.

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[info]the_fox_bandit
2008-04-13 05:56 pm UTC (link)
!!!!!!!!!

<3333333333333333

That was VERY moving. Thank you. : )

And I have to add... what Samus was to you growing up, Ororo Munroe was to me as a young'un. (Unfortunately, LJ deleted my Storm icon.).

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 06:58 am UTC (link)
I loved Storm as well. SO MUCH. And, you know, I was actually familiar with her before Samus, but for whatever reason Samus was like the BREAKTHROUGH character for me as far as feminist tendencies.

Of course, there was also all kinds of racial identification involved in my adoration of Storm that might have over-ridden the being a girl issues.

HMMM. It might have also been because she was in a team environment. Whereas Samus was unequivocally the LONE and SOLE protagonist of her own adventure story.

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[info]sainfoin_fields
2008-04-13 06:11 pm UTC (link)
oh my pdl

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

thank you pdl

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[info]rawles
2008-04-13 10:56 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome, pdl. <3

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[info]toastandtea
2008-04-13 07:15 pm UTC (link)
I FEEL THE NEED TO RAISE A GLASS IN TOAST. This post. is amazing.

I am saddened that you are unable to watch Who season three because, while Martha has hideous second-best issues within the show, she is never not awesome and basically has an incredibly empowered season finale. SO. It was worth it for me, because Martha Jones rules.

~*~Chloe Sullivan~*~.

♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

Yesterday i was for whatever reason looking at imdb for BSG stuffs and glanced down at a "review" of the miniseries and basically all it was was criticizing Starbuck acting like a MAN and chewing on stogies and getting in fights and being belligerent and having NO FEMALE QUALITIES OMG!!! And then i wanted to barf. That's basically my whole story there. I just feel so much better with the words "FUCK YOU, SHE'S AWESOME." to attach to that.

I HEART YOU RAWLES, FOR LOVING COMIC BOOKS AND VIDEO GAMES AND LAAAAAAAAADIES.

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[info]rawles
2008-04-14 06:55 am UTC (link)
WAS THAT REVIEW BY DIRK BENEDICT. I REMEMBER HE ONCE WROTE SOME LONG CRAZYPANTS THING TO THAT EFFECT WHERE HE WAS BASICALLY JUST BITTER BECAUSE KATEE WAS A BETTER STARBUCK THAN HIM.

I HEART YOU RAWLES, FOR LOVING COMIC BOOKS AND VIDEO GAMES AND LAAAAAAAAADIES.

I AM GLAD YOU DO BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO MUCH ELSE.

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[info]cely
2008-04-13 07:32 pm UTC (link)
Fictional Lesbianism...males ones.
Yes!! Great post by the way.

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[info]birdsarecalling
2008-04-13 07:42 pm UTC (link)
MY MARTHA. ;____;

They've shuffled her over to guest on Torchwood, which is almost worse.

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[info]rawles
2008-04-13 10:58 pm UTC (link)
Yes. I was actually just talking to my brother about this last night.

So much sadface.

I just sit around being like a toddler making GRABBY HANDS for Martha constantly. But in addition to being out of emotional energy, I cannot deal with Torchwood.

SIGH.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-13 08:27 pm UTC (link)
so you mentioned chihiro...chihiro who? because the only chihiro i know of was the little girl in spirited away, and i think it'd be amazingly cool if someone else actually saw that movie in the entire world. because i have yet to meet another person who has.

if not...thennnn disregard this :D

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[info]rawles
2008-04-13 10:37 pm UTC (link)
That is, indeed, the very Chihiro of whom I spoke!

Though I'm pretty sure there are many, many other people on the internets who have seen Spirited Away. TOTALLY SURE.

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[info]jlh
2008-04-13 10:15 pm UTC (link)
One of the first times Ali said that I should talk to you was when I was mentioning that the reason I never read Lord of the Rings was that after reading the beginning I asked my brother if there were any women in the core group and he was like, "not really." I'd love to see the other conversations you've had about why it is that fandom, made up primarily of women, hates women so much and what this says about culture and gender roles and how people react to them—is there a tag?

Anyway, mostly, "yeah" and also, blah blah genre blah blah male protagonist and self-selection within same blah blah gender issues in Hollywood v non visual media blah blah babycakes. And so for that reason I think my list would look very different.

And also, I think the entire point, for me anyway, of fanfiction and what sparks me to write it is to explore the places where canon left me frustrated, where I want to rewrite, to push on, etc. I hate it when folks disdain what they call "denial fic"; hell, if the canon weren't pulling shit I didn't like I might not be moved to write anything.

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[info]rawles
2008-04-13 11:41 pm UTC (link)
Shit. Your icon has reminded me that I FORGOT RIZZO. (And Abbey Bartlet, for that matter.)

But anyway, sadly I am not quite organized enough for there to be a tag. Also, most of these conversations took place on IM. Or like...in [info]sainfoin_fields' old journal.

I hate it when folks disdain what they call "denial fic"; hell, if the canon weren't pulling shit I didn't like I might not be moved to write anything.

While I actually feel like I mainly write fic just to further explore what is already there (when the canon pulls shit I am far more likely to just get pissed off and not want to be fannish about it at all), redoing shit you didn't like is a really obvious and valid purpose for fanfic. I think the only canon where I actually regularly started writing fix-it fic or whatever was Battlestar Galactica, but I do remember some of that stupid ass disdain towards it. I mean, dude, wtfever. The entire POINT of fandom is to play around and write what you want be it in line with canon or not.

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[info]ofadoration
2008-04-13 10:43 pm UTC (link)
This post is just wonderful. <3 <3 <3

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