a joyful girl getting loud ([info]rawles) wrote,
@ 2008-12-10 16:17:00
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Current mood: angry

A Follow-up
As regards previous post.

Here. Let me separate this from the capslock and keysmash and hyperbolic declarations involving death, you know, just so my point and the seriousness of it is clear.

We will ignore the fact that of the four actors named I have actually seen two of them and think that they are, all things said, pretty terrible as actors. Because while important, that is beside the point.

The point is this:

Taking a show where the cultures and the world that the characters all hail from are clear, blatant, confirmed analogues and amalgams of a diverse variety of various Asian cultures, where the characters have Asian names, where their magical martial arts styles that are the expressions of their very souls are Asian martial arts, where every single written word is actually IN CHINESE and then casting white people to play the main characters is offensive.

Here let me say it again:

~*~*~*~IT IS OFFENSIVE~*~*~*~

There is no universe in which it is not offensive!

And I do not need Hollywood or marketing or network and studio executives explained to me, believe me, I understand all of these things very well. Each and every one of these things is completely irrelevant to and has no bearing on the fact that it is offensive to go: LULZ WELL IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A CULTURALLY, LINGUISTICALLY, AND SPIRITUALLY ASIAN CULTURE POPULATED ENTIRELY BY WHITE PEOPLE FLUENT IN CHINESE XD XD XD!

And if you want to say something to me trying to justify why out of the 14 and a half million Asian-Americans and the 3 million Asian Canadians ALONE they couldn't find a way to cast a single Asian person in any of the main roles...just don't. Because, sadly, there is, in fact, no way that it will not be bullshit. And then I will have to go "BULLSHIT" at you and I don't want to have to do that.

That is all!



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[info]rhienelleth
2008-12-10 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Can't we, IDK, organize a letter writing campaign to let TPTB know why this is SO WRONG??

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[info]ali_wildgoose
2008-12-10 09:40 pm UTC (link)
*EDITS OWN POST TO LINK TO THIS*

Edited at 2008-12-10 09:40 pm UTC

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[info]cherryice
2008-12-10 09:42 pm UTC (link)
Oh, man, what fresh fuckery is going down?

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[info]cherryice
2008-12-10 09:46 pm UTC (link)
OH GOOD DEITY OF YOUR CHOICE, I JUST SAW IT. FAIL.

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[info]mekosuchinae
2008-12-10 09:42 pm UTC (link)
THIS.

THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS.

You remain, as ever, my hero.

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[info]mojotastic
2008-12-10 09:43 pm UTC (link)
I don't even really know the show you're talking about but I still, STILL, call BULLSHIT on that. SO RIDIC. It's the same thing how like 90% of the cast of the new Dragonball movie is white. Critta wha wha?

So dumb. So very dumb.

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[info]enfeebledchi
2008-12-10 09:49 pm UTC (link)
This. Ugh! I am so mad about these casting choices! And to reiterate what you said: JASPER AS SOKKA!?!?!?! WTFFFFF

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[info]a_white_rain
2008-12-10 10:08 pm UTC (link)
I WISH TO MARRY YOU.

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[info]ifotismeni
2008-12-10 10:09 pm UTC (link)
i totally agree!

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[info]kyatto
2008-12-10 10:16 pm UTC (link)
I agree it is offensive. But if people want something done about it...then IDK... maybe we should do something?

Organize complaint letters, that sort of thing? Just kvetching about it won't change it. :)

I guess I'm in the minority when I say I'm not surprised with the casting. It'd be AWESOME AND SPARKLY of them to cast an ethnic mix and discovering new talent, but they didn't. But it's not surprising.

There's word on the grapevine that what won't be filmed overseas has the possibility of being filmed near where I live. If that's the case I, or some people I know, could get called in to do work for it and so even if nothing can be changed, they at least be asked what their major malfunction was.

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[info]rawles
2008-12-10 10:19 pm UTC (link)
If you'll check other comments people are already talking about doing something about it. I am fully aware of the difference between complaint and action, thank you. One does not preclude the other. Especially when a grand total of less than 12 hours has passed.

And where did I ever say that I was surprised?

Please note that the term I am using "crisis of infinite crimes against the universe" dates back to the original announcement of the movies being made at all and a post in which I specifically stated my fearful conviction that this is exactly what would happen.

This is not surprise or naivete. This is anger, disappointment, and umbrage.

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(no subject) - [info]kyatto, 2008-12-10 10:25 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]kita0610
2008-12-10 10:33 pm UTC (link)
Oh motherfucking word.

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:10 am UTC (link)
I quite enjoyed your post too.

Particularly the promise of retribution if anyone brought up that eye color bullshit.

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[info]neocloud9
2008-12-10 11:00 pm UTC (link)
Ditto. Are we absolutely sure that cast wasn't a prank, though? Really?

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:12 am UTC (link)
Sadly, at this point, yes.

DDD:

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[info]miniglik
2008-12-10 11:10 pm UTC (link)
I came over here because I knew you'd be pissed and I want someone to be pissed off with.

SO FULL OF EPIC FAILINESS.

Zuko's the worst, by far. I mean they're turning Zuko into a flippin Zac Eph/fron/howeveryouspellhisname. I could maybe, maybe have handled one of the four nations being "white." But the point is that they're four different ethnicities! And... and... asian and vaguely inuit ethnicities. How hard is it to find Asian actors IN CALIFORNIA. I mean, they went to freakin' texas for the Aang kid. Uhg.

Okay.

Sorry.

Edit: frakity

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:13 am UTC (link)
Glad to be of service!

The problem is that it isn't hard. They just didn't want to.

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[info]mattador
2008-12-10 11:15 pm UTC (link)
AAAAAAAGH.

Aaagh.

You know, I really could have handled some of the cast being white. I was prepared for a white Aang, and a white Zuko (and Azula and Ty Lee... and most of the fire nation really), because they have more or less caucasian skin tones, but Sokka and Katara? Really?

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:14 am UTC (link)
I was prepared for a white everyone.

I just hoped that it wouldn't be so.

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[info]selenityshiroi
2008-12-10 11:20 pm UTC (link)
Yes to everything. Just...yes.

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:16 am UTC (link)
Thanks.

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[info]sainfoin_fields
2008-12-10 11:37 pm UTC (link)
Judicious use of SPARKLY MARQUEE, my poodle.

also I like all the commenters going "and also I can't believe they're all white" like WHAT DO YOU THINK WE ARE RESPONDING TO HELLO

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:16 am UTC (link)
THX, PDL. I DO TRY.

lolololol

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[info]re_weird
2008-12-10 11:53 pm UTC (link)
Yes. Exactly. It's not just lame or stupid, IT'S RACIST.

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:17 am UTC (link)
Word. I find the people going OMG YOU ARE BEING SHALLOW WHO CARES HOW THEY LOOK obnoxious in their total point-missery. It is not an AESTHETIC COMPLAINT.

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[info]melengro
2008-12-11 12:44 am UTC (link)
...Did this actually happen.

NANI THE FUCK.

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[info]raucousraven
2008-12-11 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Why hello I Agree With This Comment.

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(no subject) - [info]rawles, 2008-12-12 12:18 am UTC (Expand)

[info]planguy
2008-12-11 12:46 am UTC (link)
Damn it. I wasn't expecting much. I thought the kids they got to play the characters had a good chance to not be that good at acting, but I thought they would at least look the way they are supposed to. Ugh. No, I should put more emphasis in my noise of disgust. ARHG!

Casting should have been, you know, not necessarily easy but simple. Finding young actors who share ethnicity with one of the cultures that are in Avatar and who can act and do the stunts should be very, very doable. And yet we get white pop star Zuko.

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:18 am UTC (link)
It is because they didn't try!

Which I never had much hope that they would, but still.

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[info]redbrunja
2008-12-11 01:07 am UTC (link)
Fucking word.

Every since the news hit, my flist has been post after post of WTF!

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:19 am UTC (link)
As well it should have been.

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[info]fani
2008-12-11 01:28 am UTC (link)
Hey Rawles,

...pretty much IAWTC. I just have one thing to add to this.

I've known actor friends who are trying to make it big in Hollywood but they are having a hard time getting parts because they're either too "ethnic" or too "westernized". As an example, one of my friends (a Chinese Canadian) was auditioning for this part on a small guest appearance on this TV show. There were two comments about him. "Too ethnic looking" was the first thing outta their mouth before he started auditioning. "Too westernized" after the producers heard his flawless English.

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[info]melengro
2008-12-11 08:36 pm UTC (link)
...So there are now no ethnically-Asian Westerners at all to write roles for.

Well done, Hollywood. WELL FUCKING DONE.

(I know a Chinese British girl who speaks perfect Oxford RP. I don't see how that's 'westernised', she's fucking FROM BRITAIN!)

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[info]crystaldiamond4
2008-12-11 01:54 am UTC (link)
So much word. What really burns me up is the people defending the decision, and denying the fact that no matter how much of a business decision this was, is STILL RACIST.

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:21 am UTC (link)
Apologists are quite tiresome!

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[info]shes_unreal
2008-12-11 02:19 am UTC (link)
I agree completely and frankly the fact that the director himself is a fucking Indian-American is what shocks the hell out of me. He should really know better.

Not only is it insulting but I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say that this bastardization of one of his last major projects (if not THE last major project he did) is insulting to Mako's memory, as he was someone who had worked his entire career to create more opportunities for Asians in Hollywood. Including Dante Basco and M. Night himself, I'm sure.

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:21 am UTC (link)
:(((((

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[info]miss_silverwing
2008-12-11 02:21 am UTC (link)
The Avatar fandom NEEDS to stand together on this issue. Maybe we could actually CHANGE some of the casting; who knows? The ASN and KF forums are probably a good way to start--as well as mobilizing the ATLA artists on DA (though they're already protesting) and LJ comms. *bends over war map with determined gleam in eyes* WE SHALL CONQUER.

Either way, we HAVE to try, because JESSE MCCARTNEY IS NOT ZUKO, YOU ASSHOLES. Plus, I am SERIOUSLY offended that they didn't even TRY to sign on anyone that looked remotely Asian.

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:22 am UTC (link)
I don't know about actually getting any of the casting CHANGED, but I think that speaking up and letting them know that people DO in fact find this highly offensive is always the thing to do.

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[info]bebopsamurai
2008-12-11 02:31 am UTC (link)
This made me feel a little better.

Never change, Rawles. :)

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:22 am UTC (link)
No real plans to!

In this way at least. XD

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[info]emtqueen85
2008-12-11 02:50 am UTC (link)
Oh, I thought you were talking about that godawful Dragonball Z live action movie, which would fall under this as well (down to the actors that suck category *stares at Emmy Rossum*).

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[info]rawles
2008-12-12 12:23 am UTC (link)
Nope. The stupidity is, sadly, spreading.

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